Would you take your child to an Orgy?

Probably not right? Why not? I mean you discovered the feel good endorphins from your very first one twenty years ago and your friends will be impressed that you have shown little Johnny a healthy option. He needs to know that just like you everything is better in a group of at least 5. Everything is amazing, little Johnny will feel the same self esteem boost you do when you step into your latex thong, meeting strange people, boosting his confidence well at least until Big Shaun gets here but then no-one feels too confident next to him, but it’s a life lesson.

But you wouldn’t. And people don’t. Because it is entirely inappropriate for a child to attend such a thing, because the child cannot possibly comprehend what is going on or even made the choice to attend such an event. Yet you, a parent, have a whale of a time and are happy and healthy because of it. This is because you, made the journey to the destination, you made the choices along the way, discovered new details with your peers, lived the values, extolled the virtues and decided to enter the foam room with Big Shaun.

As parents we have a great deal of influence over our children’s lives. They join our lives after a set of choices have been made or reactions to circumstances have been hoisted upon us. If you are a hippie or a media mogul and you have a child you don’t stop being these things. If you are religious or a football fan these things about you don’t change the second you hold your shitting screaming bundle of joy.

As such your child will share experiences and begin to share some belief systems with you. In the interest of balance however and sometimes health it is important to introduce alternative viewpoints than your own. This will help your offspring on their journey and encourage them to make reasoned choices rather than following the crowd.

I read today that a Italian politician is proposing to make it illegal for parents to give their child a vegan diet. Should this be illegal, no. Does it raise a valid point? Yes.

Like it or not a vegan lifestyle is a choice. A choice at which adult vegans have arrived at, they have been on the journey and decided that veganism is the best route for them. Fair play. Should vegan parents feed their child exclusively vegan food before that child has had an opportunity to discover and assess the reasons behind the ethics? Surely that’s missing the point. (The need for vitamin supplements aside. Oh and yes I know vitamins and minerals can all be provided via plant based, but have you ever tried to make a child eat a whole plate of anything everyday.. to achieve this in plant based you need quantity, kids don’t eat quantity you will need to supplement)

Same applies for religious families, or football fans. Half the passion of a belief is in the journey of arriving there yourself. If it is hoisted upon you with no option you will always wonder “What if I supported Swindon…”and your belief will never be as strong because it simply isn’t your belief.

Your life is yours, your childs life is their own. Give your child the tools to make good choices.

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10 comments

  1. Why not have the Children be Vegan until they can rationalise themselves, because it is the healthiest way of living, and, when they can rationalise the difference between unnecessarily abusing Animals or not (let’s be honest, if you ask a kid if they want to hurt Animals, they will say no), developing preventable and reversible diseases or not, and contributing the largest mass extinction of species or not, then they can make the informed decision to be Vegan for life or not, no? Because, I agree, you can only make a decision when you understand all the non-contradictory information.

    1. Hi James, firstly thanks for taking the time to read and comment. The point of this piece was to try to highlight the need for children to be allowed to forge their own path. In all fields.
      As a parent if you can keep your child happy and healthy as a Vegan/Vegetarian/Christian/Scientologist/Country Music fan. All power to you. As long as they have the freedom to deviate from that path, without parental pressure.

      I agree there is a lot of information and misinformation out there about all topics. Even more important then to be able and free to find your own path through it all.

      1. You didn’t really answer the question, if I’m honest. Can you answer the question?

        I’m also interested as to why you put not abusing Animals aka being Vegan in the same category as unfalsifiable subject such as Christianity and Scientology. Would you explain this please?

      2. And Country Music fan too don’t forget that. Thanks for your response James. I feel I did answer the question. However.

        If your question is. Why not bring up the child vegan until they can make up their own mind.

        Do it. If they are healthy and happy. Do whatever you wish. Just do so in an environment where a change from the path you have set them on can be challenged.

        Religions are often passed down through families as are vegan ideals and standards. Also football teams, dress sense and musical sensibilities.

      3. I don’t believe liking certain sounds is the same as carrying morals and principles which help all individuals. Although, I didn’t feel discussing your use of “country music fans” as significant as discussing your comparison between believing in unprovable deities to respecting those who exist by not harming them since it isn’t necessary. Just because these concepts can be passed down does not mean they should be group together as if some concepts in the grouping mean as little or as much as other concepts in the group. It sounds like you don’t place value on those who are Vegan. Have you done any research on it yourself?

        I understand your point about path changes. However, it sounds like you want to sound open-minded to those around you for being Vegan (maybe friends, a husband or wife), yet don’t want to address your lack of morals and principles when it comes to other individuals, because that would mean understanding you have treated Dogs well, but Cows (big Dogs) and Pigs (scientifically proven to be smarter than Dogs) poorly your whole life. This is a common but shameful thing to realise, especially if you aren’t as young as you once were and had been doing it for so long. When you get to that stage, instead of saying “I hurt Animals that are smarter than Dogs”, you say “I did hurt Animals that are smarter than Dogs, and now I don’t.” Correcting your actions so they don’t compromise your inherent principles is a very mature and admirable thing to do. You should try it.

      4. Thanks James for your reply. My comparisons have nothing to do with morals of the subjects. Rather than the environment surrounding them. Hence the inclusion of Country Music fan. This is not a pro or anti Vegan piece. The world is not out to get you!

        I am not vegan. My partner is. I respect her choices just as I would expect her to respect mine.

        I am an open minded guy. But you don’t know me or my life or any changes I have made based on information I have discovered.

        So I will take on board this “Correcting your actions so they don’t compromise your inherent principles is a very mature and admirable thing to do. You should try it.” And thank you for your admiration.

      5. I understand your reason for group (the seemingly strange, to me) music fans, religious people and so on.

        But would you respect someone who needlessly kicks a Donkey?

        Great. I’ll contact you on twitter (VeganAtUni) and maybe we can have more discussions because I find them stimulating.

        All the best.

    1. Thanks for reading my piece and taking the time to comment. This is about the importance of letting a child explore and find their own path in whatever topic.

      If they are equipped to make good choices on their own moral path you would hope they don’t burn ants or kick dogs or anything else. Even when their parents aren’t watching.

      Morals are difficult to evaluate because everyones are different. The best thing is to have the freedom to discover your own with guidance from those you trust. That will breed the passion to fight the right fight for whatever your cause is.

      1. “Morals are difficult to evaluate because everyones are different.”

        Most people would agree that harming others for the sake of selfish pleasure is wrong. Veganism is simply standing up for what you already believe in.

        Society has led the gullible majority to believe that we have to kill animals and that when we do it is nice, necessary, normal and natural. Bringing a child up to be vegan frees them from these lies and should be encouraged if we want to protect their health and the future of their world.

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